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Small update from Niru: "I know it might not be the best thing . . . I sacrificed a lot not doing that level up. But I really want the game to change."
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The bare minimum Nexon has to do is to literally stop nerfing Interactive servers. It's no surprise that Interactive servers are shit to play in when Nexon keeps on actively nerfing it.
It’s like they have this idea in their heads that if the game becomes too easy they will make less money.
I feel like every game I play is run by a company that is both money hungry and allergic to making money at the same time.
In the reboot, they are allergic to make money. Honestly I don't know why they sell vac only on a certain period of time when it is literally potential free money on 24/7. Also don't get me started with pssb with half of them are super bad outfits
Absolutely. Im not sure this fomo model works.
Limited sales = FOMO and people buy it because the opportunity goes away until half a year later. I mean, yes they COULD be making more money if more people buy it just because they’d be widely available all the time, but vac pets are an expensive item that players have to think a decent amount about before purchasing. Having to weigh the option of spending $70 and starting a subscription service for an in game pet is what pushes to buy it rather than not, since they don’t wanna miss their chance on a limited sale.
For PSSBs, they make more money by putting in only a few popular items in each rotation so people have to spend more if they want that specific item. Since it’s perm NX, people are less inclined to spend more on cosmetics once they have a permanent look. Hence also why the good cosmetics are locked behind rng.
And they KNOW which items are popular. It’s often the random items that are highlighted when people get them in smegas, like round glasses.
It could be argued that since pssbs are filled with mostly trash, less people purchase them. But there are also whales that counteract that to balance it, AND Nexon capitalizes on the low availability of good permanent nx items, locking them behind rng. People are more likely to buy pssbs because there is nothing else to make them look good.
And all of these practices are just outright diabolical and greedy. But Nexon doesn’t care, and the players don’t either. Because finally hitting that rare item after spending so much gives you a high — and that’s just how gambling is.
Nexon is especially bad. Zero innovation despite being ahead of the curve in 2008
Well, to be fair, if you can max out gear faster, then yes they will make less money.
But yeah... gating it to the point where you don't really even get a fair chance to even attempt maxing out and getting to end-game is an issue.
But if maxing out gear is more viable by spending money, it's more likely that people who aren't spending or who spend very marginal amounts will start spending aswell.
People who whale will go on to spend on other characters.
I don't enjoy the rng upgrade path a whole lot, but at least in reboot it's "free". I wouldn't want to spend hundreds of dollars with a chance of 0 gain or even decline.
I don’t mind the RNG, but it has to feel fair and actually be accessible
It depends on the extent. You can look at gacha games as an example. AFK Journey, 90% of the packs are whale bait and not worth. So you see two spectrums of people who are low spenders for the $40/month and the whales who maxed out everything first week by whaling.
They have $2.5m revenue launch week and majority of that is the 10% who are whales who bought out everything. Rather than a large majority being a lot of low spending players. So they focus on milking the whales more. Which is what Nexon is attempting and failing at.
What extent is "maxing out gear is viable". Because if whale max out gear faster, then are they still motivated to fund the market when they have nothing to do but wait? So then they still have to get gated by something so they have a reason to keep playing the game and playing the market. Or they make everything expensive because they are done so they can control the market how they like.
So then how much money is a good breakpoint to entice low spenders or F2P to spend more?
They are obsessed with making people play the game nonstop. So if they make it so people are more likely to actually reach the end potential of gear and there are actually people in the update waiting room, then they would have to be playing for the sake of the game. And I doubt they will do that when they can just have people like that one Korean CC who has collectively spent ~$5million USD over his playtime mainly from donations and stream revenue.
This is why you always just buy the item premade in the AH. In Reboot you paid with years of your life and that’s arguably even worse unless of course ur a kid. Lmao
Nah not really, maple is such an addicting game that people are now finishing their main and simply funding 2nd third and fourth mains onto liberating and getting to end game, so maple never ends, u got 40+ characters to get to end game and dress cutely.
That is the general replay loop. But how much of the population in the west do you think actually goes for that considering they would have to constantly upkeep all those mains which increases the amount of time and money they have to invest?
And if anything, that just incentives nexon to milk whales more.
What gear? I can't spend money on the stupid shit like eye patch I've been running hard dam for 3years
Again, my 2nd sentence.
Gotta lengthen the amount of time the player needs to play and then add more gambling mechanics to prolong the time gates on progress. Then people get addicted and spend time there
Pardon my naivete as I have just recently gotten back into the game but cube chance rigging aside what nerfs did they get? Don't reg servers get double the potential lines? I know they're pay to win that's why I moved but isn't that the point they pay real money to progress faster than us in reboot?
Reboot gets free fd to make up for loss of bonus potential and scrolling. The ceiling in reg is higher than reboot if you have great gears, but for the average player, reboot is easier. As for nerfs, maybe OP is referring to GMS reg getting watered down versions of KMS events (e.g., no 100% icogs).
It's not just event nerfs, the literal p2w content from TMS we get imported is also heavily nerfed
This sort of complaint never goes anywhere, you're playing different localized versions of the game. The end result will just be to not get the other version's content altogether.
?? You could point to like anything that niru himself has said like untradeable frags, untradeable cubes, more expensive cubes than kms, loads of other shit. But you mention reboot fd when the person you responded to asked about reg nerfs?
devils advocate, but he mentioned the FD because Nexon's own words are that the FD static bonus is to replace regular server's bonus potential. but id say they also didnt talk about it far enough. the fact that not only is bonus potential almost entirely paid content beyond epic grade (which lets be honest, that just means its paid content to get good) but also the fact that it is prohibitively expensive and much lower chance than even normal potentials. so its a double fuckin whammy of Pay to Get Fucked, you aint winning.
They make alot of things not transferable for no reason like various cubes and equips. They previously wanted us to be closer to KMS, but refuse to port ALL changes. They rather decrease/not port the ones that generally benefitted the players. An example would be event shops items and the ACTUAL CASH SHOP THAT MAKES THEM MONEY. We have outdated stuff hence you probably see posts under "new" cash shop rotation with most comments saying same bad stuff.
And in reality, most of the other Interactive Worlds don't have a large enough population to warrant the true benefits of tradeability and marketing as Niru mentioned. Aurora (a server I'm also a part of) is on the medium lower end of population. With Bera being medium and Kronos high. I do like the maps being mainly empty, but they simply could've merged the smaller worlds together by now (its been years since the last merge or transfer) and add more channels if they actually cared for map density problems.
A cross world Auction House is the bare minimum.
Sol erda fragments are untradable in gms for some reason which is a MASSIVE nerf.
From the end if Niru's stream today where he played through (from start to finish) Ocarina of Time
Aside from this clip, he seemed to be having a good time and was joking around. Hopefully he's doing well
Why would he not be doing well?
Been working towards this goal for years, and then never got to complete it. That alone is going to hang over him
Then there's all the shitboys probably harassing him as well
Unless it was his goal to begin with.
I played MapleStory two decades ago, years before reboot, before 4th (and even 3rd) job was a thing, so I have no modern context for the game or this streamer. But he literally says “I’m sacrificing a lot not leveling up.” That doesn’t exactly scream that this was his initial goal…
because quite literally he burned bridges professionally. even if he doesn't main content creation as his occupation, he literally just publicly pulled the rug out from under a massive company just to try and get the message heard and changes hopefully in the right direction. Just to get A CHANCE, at them doing it.
But that chance also means he will most likely never get public recognition from nexon for future things or even other games companies because they now have video evidence that he could "go rogue" or not stay "in-line" to their desired specifics, even if it is unlikely, they don't want even a 1% chance of that to happen.
Just look how much the subreddit is talking about it and how well ANY video on it is doing. (his video on youtube currently has 105k views and there are several other videos covering it in the thousands each) counting the around 21k people who watched it live there's easily a quarter million people who have at least HEARD about it. That's NOT good press.
Just a note: He has already gotten ignored by Nexon multiple times. Considering his play schedule he could have been invited to the Bean Brigade, but he never did.
I would argue that Nexon already lit the bridge on fire and handed out water to douse the flames. Niru just chose to let it fully burn and move on to the other side.
If you want to learn anything from this guy, that is to not suck up to any company, period. You can be professional and join their group, but you need to know when you need to hold your ground. This is Niru standing up to his own beliefs and having his own opinion. And to be honest I think many other creators have started speaking up following his leave.
ehh a few things. He definitely has been invited by nexon for multiple things but he has consistently turned them down, especially the flying out to earn level 300 cause they would not have allowed him to say anything.
the bridge was always rickety. but this action definitely destroyed it, and will 100% limit any potential earning or collaboration going forward.
now thats all to say, I still think he absolutely did the right thing and yes 100% don't limit what you do because of a company. just detailing why this will affect his business side of it going forward.
imo he seemed to genuinely be upset before ending his 300 stream. I'm sure he has a lot of feelings related to thinking he let people down and not being sure if he was making the right choice
idk, I'm not him, but after a dedicated grind like that and stopping right before the finish line, I'm sure he's got a lot on his mind
My man literally says “I’m sacrificing a lot not leveling up” and other people are still questioning if he’s upset lmao (this is not directed at you!)
Hopefully the amount of people backing him for voicing his concerns and sticking a finger at nexon will encourage him
He really did sacrifice a lot, he could have been nexon's poster child and forever have there support. And now he'll never get it again.
I still think he initially wanted to reach 300 until nexon told him he could not bring things up during the offer to fly him in the hq and interview him etc. I think that was his last straw at being silenced and he chose to go nuclear.
Same. Seemed like he always wanted to talk about it but also wanted to give people what they wanted. But that and maybe the inkwell post that didn’t mention anything about reg server was it. I think he was planning leveling before his rant but after listing all of his points, he convinced himself that he has to go this path if he wants a chance at improving the reg server.
The decision not to go forward with the changes was pretty much a net negative to the regular servers. Removing cubes would have been a pretty big improvement to regular servers. Not like anyone was farming 200 million mesos a day on regular.
Nexon will probably make more money if they fix regular server and make it more convenient to play. Make it actually INTERACTIVE. There are no new players in maplestory, only returning or restarting ones.
Hard to have an interactive server if there's barely anybody to interact with.
But theres hardly anybody to interact with cuz its in a shitty situation, a lot of people, like me, moved from reg servers to reboot because we got tired of the predatory system reg servers had.
Exactly, it's additionally hard to interact when my fragments, nodestones, hats, tops, bottoms, earrings, pendants, rings, weapons, belts, shoes, gloves, shoulder, accessories, capes, hearts, badges, emblems, secondaries, cubes, burning coupons, and event items are ALL UNTRADABLE by default
So true!!! Can’t agree with that more (I’m in scania)
When I saw him going off, the only thing I could focus on was the map full of characters clad in 100s of dollars worth of nx and 100s more in VAC pets. People have to stop spending for any change to happen.
Genuinely curious , wouldn’t this just mean that monk will hit 300 first and over take him
Monk is literal years of training behind Niru, but yes maybe in 2026 Monk will catch up and be the first 300 of GMS
I still think he’ll log back in eventually and hit lvl 300 first
Monk hit 295 10 months ago and is still 295 today. According to mapleranks, Monk is about 2 years away from 300 assuming he keeps up the same pace (about 6T exp per day, which is a ton)
That really puts into perspective how much Niru has been on that grind and the pace he was able to keep (about 14T per day)
From a previous thread I read that monk was still a few levels away?
Yes. And those few levels will take years. The half-way point in total exp from 1-300 is like lvl 298.
Monk is 295 but the difference in exp if those 5 levels is HUGE, like maybe 3months per level at the playing rate of Niru?
Iirc the closest player in general is like at least 6 months out. The closest gms players are probably a couple years out
I quit a while back but coming back here to say that Niru is based
Oh my
I want to punch those just because there’s so much bulging out
And I’m a girl
weird hate talk
I should've elaborated, you know how balloons and bean bags bulge out when squeezed and you just want to poke em in or punch em in because you know they'll bounce back out again and stay in its shape?
I'd never irl as a fellow girl but you can't not imagine how silly and cartoonish it'd be
He is honestly and unironically, doing the best thing he can for his E-career.
I’m pretty conflicted on this decision of not getting the 300. Been checking in on his streams since around 296 and was looking forward to seeing the 300 but had to work so I “missed it”. I think he should’ve done the rant (which was cool and probably deserved((I don’t really play maple story like that))) but then hit the 300 because at the end of the day you need to do what’s in your best interest. It is a boss move doing it his way for sure but I’d prefer him get his reward he worked insanely hard for.
I think in a complicated way, he is doing what's in his best interest. After that rant, any potential promotional deals with Nexon/Maplestory are dead, so lets see what else there is:
Being the first to hit max level is both a tangible thing and a social thing. Socially, he is unquestionably the guy who "reached" max level first. Even if someone else were to hit it in months/years from now and he sits at 299.9996, he will be recognized as getting there first and intentionally stopping
What would he get from the tangible level up? His number on screen would go up by one, it might be recorded on some leaderboard websites, and they may even put an NPC that says "I'm Niru and I'm level 300" (assuming Nexon even acknowledges it at this point), but I don't think Niru cares about any of those things
Big balls move from him and honestly almost anyone out there cant do what he did.
However, its a shit move. Nexon wont change anything, his demands are too much. Not from my perspective but from Nexons. All this did was put a shit stain over GMS where we might lose some behind the scenes support that would have been provided. Again kudos to him legendary move but in the end its does more bad than good.
I rather let the kitchen burn to the ground than take another serving of corporate Nexon's bullshit. Inkwell better follow up on his letter, or it's just the same old garbage again.
That's the point. The kitchen isn't even going to burn down from this move he essentially just lit his own plate of food on fire with nothing to show for it. One plate of food, even such a large one, doesn't move the whole kitchen.
He wasn’t just a plate, he’s like the general manager calling out the restaurants malpractices publicly to the busiest night in the restaurant and then quitting. That’s a pretty big deal. Now wether nexon decides to address it at all is another question
None of which will A. Make the kitchen burn down. B. Make said restaurant go out of business. Or C. Help anyone or change anything. People are addicted to the food and will forget this and keep doing what they want to. Most of the diners aren't even regulars they play reboot.
Nexon does not gain anything by listening to Niru.
Niru has everything to lose if he lets people pass him to 300, my guess is he would never let that happen and the first person to get close, he logs in and levels up.
As much as Niru is right, him thinking Nexon cares is actually stupid.
he exposed the issues in front of 20k viewers, you're ridiculous if you think Nexon doesn't care at all... he reasonably trashed them
They care that he talked shit sure. So they took away his party.
Care enough to take his criticisms to heart? No, thats why they took his party away lol
how do you know they don't care to take his criticisms? i don't think you can make that assumption just yet. I can bet you that in the future, if zero of Niru's claims are addressed, players will start to notice that Nexon ultimately doesn't care about really improving anything.
Bro they literally stopped directing people to his stream and took away the notice on the launcher.
That doesn’t scream “we hear you, and understand”.
Nexon has had HUNDREDS of scandals and has addressed only a handful, and yet here we are nearly 20 years later, and maple still boots when I click the icon on my desktop.
GMS cared enough to publicly endorse him and send thousands of eyes directly to his Twitch stream to share in the glory of having the world first on their version of the game
And how much did they exactly lose or gain, monetarily wise? Lol.
If you sincerely believe monetary value is the only yard stick to measure success or failure, then I really have no reason to waste my breath on you
Okay. Fine by me.
Nexon would gain trust with the GMS community and fix clear issues with the interactive servers that would probably get more people to spend anyway?
The point is that he doesn't think Nexon cares. But he's trying to force their hand by making this publicity stunt that they can't ignore in front of 20k people by the #1 player in the game.
People spend anyways. Do you not see the constant smegas of people gacha’ing their savings away? Maplestory made it this long, and Niru had exactly nothing to do with that.
and yet reg servers are still dying, nexon could be making millions more if the game had a healthier population which would incentivize people to spend more generally.
Its crazy you think they care about that. They make money either way. Their overhead is almost nothing.
They have to pay people to do any of those fixes, or they dont implement the fixes and they continue to still make money, while not having to pay anyone to “fix the game”.
nexon gains a lot by listening to Niru.
Take his criticism, fix the game, and people don't have to quit as much.
he already made me respect him
and i have no respect for you
Oh no, a stranger on the internet doesnt respect me?
Lol.
Massive amounts of copium in this thread. Nexon is not going to change at all for you troglodytes. 🤣
Serious question, what do you hope to accomplish by shitting on everyone? I genuinely want to know your thought process behind shitting on every single person who genuinely wants to make a difference
Like why are you going out of your way to get people to stop caring/fighting. Even if you believe it won't have any affect on what nexon does, why would you try to get people to stop fighting/protesting? Why are you calling the same people that want better for the game you play troglodytes?
Its almost like you get off on going against the grain specifically to shit on people. Make it make sense man? Are you doing okay IRL?
Finally, all the interactive players can stop overdosing on copium. It was getting ridiculous seeing them try to sway players over to a world with so many problems.
What exactly did he sacrifice? The chance to level on that date? He can still open the game and level up whenever he wants. In fact, he probably made more money than ever from streaming
Prestige and the goodwill of Nexon, mostly.
He could have been immortalized in the game like Fangblade, had an item made after him, etc.
Doesn't sound like much since Maplestory is pretty dead compared to something like FF14, but if you're super into Maplestory, having an item made after your character seems like a pretty good deal.
By doing what he did, he completely burned the bridge with Nexon, and is likely to not get anything for his accomplishment, even if he logs in tomorrow and gets to 300.
He also 99% likely severed a positive relationship with Nexon and future possibly lucrative deals.
The whole situation is uncomfortable because he was clearly depressed with the QOL and fairness of the game and made a strong statement to show the extent of his distress.
If he had just leveled and said nothing the looming issues would still exist. Niru brought it all into the light with the hope that Nexon would have to look at it instead of just the players.
This sub mostly exists as a forum for people to vent their countless issues and gripes with the game. Niru had a powerful moment and took advantage of it.
You clearly never set a goal that's important to you that required a significant dedication and right before achieving it you stopped for a bigger cause.
He always has the option to log on and level. Literally two clicks away. Might be a sacrifice if he deleted his character right after but it’s wild to claim you sacrificed a ton by pressing alt f4
Man you really are mediocre if this is your takeaway from this situation
Sorry I don’t ride on niru’s dick like you
It’s more-so the fact that he grind months and months for this game, he hit level 299 I think close to the beginning of the year and after 4 months of farming, to throw it all away for the better of the game. He threw away his potential partnership with Nexon/Maplestory and probably some of his fans (yesterday he hit a peak of 20k views at once VS less than 1k today I believe)
Looking at your history I can already tell your an asshole, change the way you speak and maybe people will respect you a bit more
Cool story stupid
I wonder how your living your life lmao. I legit think the only reason your this sad is because you are a failure in life. I really pity someone like you, hope you find peace in your heart
He's not a failure, he's just mediocre lol
mediocre flithy trash just like the name